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Reaction To Oh I Do Love This Man; The Preacher That Is And My Answer To That Reaction

29 Nov

eagle and flagangrymanspeaks: to Invisible Mikey who commented on a recent post.

  • November 29, 2014 at 17:34

    You have made some excellent (for my purposes) arguments and so I am going to publish our discussion as a post. You are of course; welcome to comment further but I don’t know a better way to get my point across than to give an airing to yours. Hope you don’t mind. Peace


  1. Invisible Mikey

    November 27, 2014 at 19:53

    To each his own. To me, the preacher comes off as an insufferable, egotistical a-hole. I couldn’t handle more than two minutes of the video. Apparently the cop put up with much more of his BS.

    I think I have a more effective strategy for dealing with the police. It’s been put to the test, and it works. I speak nicely to them and answer their questions, even when I think they are violating my privacy rights. I’m soon back on my way with minimal delay. I always have better things to do than debate Constitutional rights with someone at the bottom rung of the ladder. (underline mine)

  1. angrymanspeaks

    November 28, 2014 at 13:47

    His Bullshit is defending his rights. Your attitude toward this kind of intrusion is typical of many and I understand why.
    At first look it seems a simple question to answer to be allowed to go along your way. until you understand that nobody has a right to ask you who you are or where you are going or anything else.
    When we allow them to coerce such simple answers from us we are creating a pattern of behavior. We are teaching ourselves to comply with whatever “Request” a Cop might make.
    We are teaching them to expect answers to such questions and make it harder for those of us who do have respect for our rights.
    It helps when you see that Cops are not your friends; unless you are a wealthy, white, republican.
    It helps to understand that “anything you say can, and will be used against you in a court of law”; guilty or not; regardless of your intent or intended meaning; ANYTHING you say.
    It should help to understand that forcing everyone to carry and display ID Papers upon request. Blindly following orders from Police without questioning whether they are right or reasonable or even legal orders.
    Little by little they erode your rights. First they are questioning you without cause; then searching you without cause; Then detaining you without cause; then detaining you anonymously; etc.
    Many American Patriots gave their all; life and blood; family and wealth; to safeguard our right, not to be questioned and searched etc. for us to weaken our resolve to protect our rights.
    Never give away what they want to take by force.
    Stand up and act like an American. Not a Sheep

    • November 28, 2014 at 15:57

      You’re missing my point. You can’t waste so much time fighting these philosophical battles every time you cross paths with a drone. You’ll never get your normal life activities done! Save it for that town hall meeting with the city council candidate, or someone who counts.

      If you don’t want to tell the cop where you are really going, have a ready-made fake destination in mind, one they can’t check on. As far as the “who you are”, it’s unavoidable in a car. You have to carry your license, and they do have the right to ask to see it.

      Oh; I get your point Man and it is exactly the reason that I publish videos like these.

      No Mikey; they do not have a right to ask to see your license.

      Not  unless they have probable cause to believe you have committed a crime.

      So if they stop you for speeding; they can ask your identity; though refusal to prove ones identity is not reason to assume one’s guilt.

      Since you do have a license to drive; they can’t charge you with Driving without a license.

      You can be charged with Failure to display your license upon request (still only if they have probable cause) but this is a very minor traffic offense and usually carries a small fine.

      But remember:

      If they have no reason to suspect that you are guilty of a crime; then there is no “Probable Cause”.

      You don’t look suspicious because you have your hands in your pockets or in your nose.

      You don’t look suspicious because you are a different shade than “most of the folks who live hereabouts”

      You don’t look suspicious because you are carrying a backpack or satchel.

      You don’t look suspicious because your clothes aren’t as snazzy as the locals.

      If they stop you for what they call a random check or some other vague and non-specific reason; you have the right to remain silent; and you should.

      They may not like you and they will make fun of you; ask if you are a lawyer; tell you to come back when you are etc.; but they will be forced to respect you and your knowledge of your rights. (not that any of them could last a minute in a discussion of rights and laws with a good lawyer) Truthfully; most Cops have very little knowledge of your rights. Many have precious little knowledge of the law. But none of them are good at taking “No” for an answer so be ready to be harassed before they let you go if need be. And hey; you should try to have fun with this. This is an exercise in being a real American. You won’t be breaking laws in most cases; just standing up for your rights (remember; they are your rights. they aren’t given to you by any government. They are given to you by God or Nature and such gifts should never be taken so lightly as you suggest we do. 

      As to your point that it is of no use to confront the lower echelon drones?

      I’m sorry but if we wish to secure or maintain our freedom; we must do so by confronting any invasions of our privacy where they occur. They don’t occur in the Town Council Meetings or at any other public forum where people can see. They happen in the dark; in the lonely places when nobody can see. They happen right in plain sight where the population is too frightened; too traumatized to stand up and speak out the way witnesses should be free to do.

      In America Mikey; not everyone lives as we do. Not everyone has the freedom to walk the streets as we; white people do. (I am of course assuming presumptuously that you are white)(I’m not sure if invisible people are really Black or White)

      Nevertheless; not everyone has the freedom to even exist in America. I would have once said that such attitudes were a thing of the past in most of America but it has become quite clear that the truth is far more disturbing and diametrically opposed to what I used to believe. They are rampant; insidious; and they hold sway with those of the Conservative Establishment that control our police and courts.

      As to the argument that it is easier to lie when questioned and go on your way?

      It is; and you can; but it doesn’t aid the cause of freedom and it doesn’t force the police to comply with the Constitution and believe it or not; many of us would rather not lie except in extreme circumstances.

      I would lie; don’t get me wrong. Though I pride myself on being a truthful person in my personal relationships; I have no compunction whatsoever about lying to save a life; to stop or prevent an injustice etc. Cops will lie to you; they are allowed to by law (dig that shit); so why would I have a problem lying to the Cops? Especially a Cop trying to ignore or deny my or my friend’s rights.

      I don’t even lie to them in most cases. Not necessary, but there are situations where the Cops are not to be trusted to handle things the right way. They are fairly limited in their ability to make judgments unless it’s easy like: White guy/Black guy. Who’s guilty? It’s a no-brainer for a Cop who is trained and conditioned to always come down against the Black man. Or where one guy is poor and the other is a wealthy Republican. Ding. Ding. Ding. And the winner is…

      As to the point that it is a time-consuming pain in the ass to resist every time some low-level henchman seeks to ignore your rights?

      You are so right. it is a pain in the ass and it can be worse. In theory it could get you killed. It could more likely get you hours of harassment that only litigation will remedy. It is a real pain even when; as will usually be the case; the Police eventually comply with your rights.

      But it is the only way we can be sure to keep our rights. They don’t call it exercising your rights for nothing. Rights are no good if they stay on a document in DC. You have to take them out and run them; test their strength; give them a shot at fighting for you once in a while.

      Freedom and it’s maintenance do not come cheaply. Many have given all for it. So you will forgive me if I find a small pain in the ass a cheap price to pay and far preferable to the price we may pay later if we allow them to erode our rights. Only if we resist such intrusions en masse that we will have the desired impact on the behavior of the Police. remember it isn’t the simple question; it’s what that simple answer can and will lead to and the behavior expectations of those whose motives are less than pure or patriotic.

      Rather than any of the options you suggest, I would suggest that you form groups; clubs; Freedom Clubs. Pledge to stand up for your rights and to act as a witness against those who would take away the rights of your neighbors. Collect dues and use these and any other available funds you may collect to hire an aggressive, Civil and Constitutional rights Lawyer or Lawyers with a hard-on for such Fascist functionaries.

      Be sure to check local statutes so that your group isn’t legally vulnerable in any way and of course; be sure you know what your rights are and are not according to the Constitution and the Laws of your area because as we discussed; it can be necessary to break a law to protect a freedom.

      This is not revolution or sedition or any other anti-American suggestion.

      It is the most American; most Patriotic thing you could ever decide to do.

      It is; in fact; your duty as a citizen of The United States to take a stand to protect your rights.

      This can be seen and is, indeed proved by the oath that we ask new citizens to take before they become citizens.

      Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America

      Oath

      “I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”

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