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I Just Know I’m Going To Hell For This

04 Aug

I just know I’m going to Hell for publishing this. My only hope is that I can skate if I don’t identify this guy. So from here out we’ll just call him Steve.

Steve is a guy I met on another site; got into a discussion with; figured out that he was as deaf as a stone to what I was saying; and moved on. But Steve (that clever little scamp) followed me home like a Borellian Nomen on a “Blood Trail”

Borellian Nomen

“The Nomen are disciplined, arrogant, and overbearing. If I did not know any better, I’d swear that Borella was settled by Klingons..” -Colonel Hurgh DeS’ epetai-Solazarn

He took the tour and found my article on “The Effects of the Bush Tax Cuts”; and commented on it; sort of.

Anyway; I’ve never published anything just flor a laugh and I don’t mean to make fun of Steve; Really.

But the way this thread went and how it turns out at the end (so far) seemed so damned funny that I felt I had to share it with you.

Yes I turn out to be a smart ass again and yes I know your not supposed to laugh at your own jokes etc. but; well read on and see what I mean and if anybody wants to lay into me about what a conceited asshole I am; I won’t blame you and I promise not to argue. Unless that’s what you want…………………….

……………..5 Responses to Effects of the Bush Tax cuts

Steve

August 2, 2012 at 15:40

if tax increases stimulate the economy are good for us, why not just up the rate to 100% and bring on the good

Bon Bons

times. we call all sit around eating bon bon’s, rainbow stew and free Bubble Up while we all wait for our government checks! That’s your Progressive problem, somebody has to keep working to provide the income for all you free loaders to steal. Once you remove all the incentives none of the workers will continue to be fleeced!

angrymanspeaks

August 2, 2012 at 21:17

Seems pretty sad that a hard worker like yourself would just stop

All the Marbles

playing if you don’t get to keep all the marbles. By taking away the incentive I assume you mean the right to hoard vast wealth while others suffer. The right to stand by and watch as your nation becomes the most war-mongering country in history. As our military invades and terrorises yet more nations unable to defend themselves from our “Help”. The right to drive multiple millions of Americans into ever deeper poverty so you can brag about what a sharp business man you are. And probably the right to shove your Right-Wing religion down our throat. Yeh; I guess that would tend to spoil all your fun; wouldn’t it?

Steve

August 3, 2012 at 13:42

so instead of just ranting about how un-American I am and continue to throw names at me that aren’t true why don’t you try intelligently discuss the issue and answer my question. Defend your indefensible position. If a little comfiscation is good, why not comfiscate it all and bring on your supposed utopia? you can’t defend it because eventually all the providers will quit because you’ve takebn away all the incentives to work hard and the results of helping the true needy, not this bunch of lazy lay on your back do nothings that want to keep their hand in my pocket instead of getting up off their asses and getting their own. Go ahead and defend it without name calling. You can’t, you’ll just continue to portray me as something I’m not to justify your own indefensible position as all you libs do. The Soviet Union proved that years ago. Even China has morphed into a Capitalist/communist society. Your BS has failed every time it’s been tried. You can’t get something for nothing. If you are getting something without working for it then someone else isn’t getting what they DID work for.

angrymanspeaks

August 4, 2012 at 01:08

Well Steve,

First I would like to point out that not once in my previous reply; did I call you a name; any name. Not even your own as I assumed that you already knew that. You can take a minute to peruse the comment again if you feel the need. I’ll wait; Dum de dum de dum dum de do; You back? Good because before I go on; I really need to mention something. I usually don’t critique other writers spelling because it is so often just a typo when it happens in comments. I do it all the time. But this is the second or third time that you have used the word Comfiscate and I feel that I would be remiss if I don’t tell you. I am sure that you won’t take the word of a “lazy lay on your back do nothing” like myself so I have copied from Dictionary.com for your edification.

comfiscate – no dictionary results

Did you mean confiscate con·fis·cate [kon-fuh-skeyt, kuhn-fis-keyt] Show IPA verb, con·fis·cat·ed, con·fis·cat·ing, adjective

verb (used with object) 1. to seize as forfeited to the public domain; appropriate, by way of penalty, for public use.

2. to seize by or as if by authority; appropriate summarily.

“Defend your indefensible position. If a little comfiscation is good, why not comfiscate it all and bring on your supposed utopia?”

Steve; I just don’t know where to start.

Let’s begin with the simple and then move on to the more complex.

1. Something that really irks me is when I keep saying “Tan” and you keep telling me I said “Brown”. If what I meant was “Brown”; I damn well know how to say it. Tan Tan Tan Tan. Get it Steve? Fucking Tan. I do not now; nor have I ever in the past; suggested that I would support a Communist Government. Neither a Soviet nor a Chinese style Communism.

I do not like communism in my house.

I will not like it for my spouse.

I will not like communism on my lawn.

I will not like it at dusk or dawn.

I will not like communism;

I don’t give a damn.

What lies you tell of me; Steve I am.

**********************************************************

Get that Steve? Now that was the simple part. On to the more complex.

Above; you tell me to defend my position.

My position is that a little bit of Socialism mixed with our Capitalism; would be a good thing.

Then you suggest: “If a little comfiscation is good,(my idea), why not comfiscate it all and bring on your supposed utopia?” Note that the idea to “Comfiscate” it all came from you; and then you call it “MY supposed utopia” (Utopia by the way is a proper noun and therefore should be capitalised)

But as I have clearly stated several times and you alluded to when you said “if a little confiscation is good”; a little confiscation was what I suggested. So what you have done in essence is take my idea of a little confiscation; and expand on it to ask me to change it to total confiscation or in-other-words; you have taken my suggestion of adding a little Socialism to our society; and you have expanded on it and nearly begged me to support your more extreme plan of total Communism.

Next you say: “The Soviet Union proved that years ago.” Proved what Steve? That your idea of total Communism is a good one? I’m so confused.

Then we hear: “Even China has morphed into a Capitalist/communist society” (I don’t mean to be a pain in the ass Steve but Communist; when used as a label for a society is a proper noun also and therefore should be capitalized; especially when the other half of the label is capitalised as you have done here. No big deal to me Steve but I don’t want you getting any nasty letters from the American Communist Party demanding equal treatment.)

Now perhaps I should repeat your last statement. “Even China has morphed into a Capitalist/communist society”

Is this a popular thing for nations to do now? Are there many other countries spontaneously morphing into Capitalist/Communist societies? I mean “Even China is on the band wagon suggests that they have confirmed your idea that mixing Capitalism with communism is a good plan.

But Steve; You just got done telling me that what you wanted was total communism. How can you now say that you want a mix. Really Steve; I think you better do a little soul searching and figure out just what it is you do want. Is it Communism or Capitalism/Communism?

Well; let me just state for the record that I’m going to stick with my idea of Capitalism/ Socialism Steve. Tan Tan Tan But definitely not Brown Steve. I don’t know why you would ever support Brown Steve. The Soviet Union proved years ago that Brown (Total Communism) doesn’t work. Even the Chinese have found that a system as restrictive as theirs is helped when Capitalism is added into the mix. No; I think I’ve got the best idea Steve. You can keep your Communism.

Do the other Republicans or Libertarians around you know that you think like this Steve? I can’t imagine this is part of their Party Platform.

angrymanspeaks

August 4, 2012 at 01:11

Steve, Please take special care to note that not once in my entire reply immediately above did I call you a name other than Steve; which I can only assume is still acceptable to you. If I have erred; please be sure to let me know and I will refrain from refering to by any monicker at all but will refer to you simply as “You”. Thanks for stopping by Steve eh You eh; whatever.

Steve; if you’re out there; and I know you are. No offence man seriously. You’re not a bad guy; just a bit confused by all that Right-Wing brainwashing you’ve been subjected to.

Come on tell the truth. Don’t you feel like you can breathe easier over on this and the other Liberal sites you follow? Not so stuffy and dull and scary.

“Somebody get my Prayer Rug and Zen Beads. This guy is coming to my house and I want to adopt a non-threatening posture before he…

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12 responses to “I Just Know I’m Going To Hell For This

  1. Lisa Bates

    August 4, 2012 at 11:08

    Thanks for sharing, ROFL!!!!

     
  2. Steve

    August 4, 2012 at 13:10

    Wow man, you can spell and type better than me, what an akomlishment. Now that you’ve tried to belittle me with your rant about brown and tan and trying to portray me as the Communist, why not just answer the question? If a little Socialism is good why not just seize it all and bring about your paradise? Specifically, what percentage of my “little bit” do I get to keep in your world? Ps: I love Seuss and prefer my green eggs on a bus or a train if I can’t get on the bus. I really do enjoy the dialogue and discussion of the issues. I don’t understand the liberal/Progressive positions. Am I allowed to say that or am I being too beige?

     
    • Lisa Bates

      August 4, 2012 at 14:04

      Steve, if you actually want to understand the liberal and progressive positions, then why not try to stop changing them into something else, and then saying they don’t make sense. The liberal or progressive positions are NOT Communism. Period. They are different things. You keep saying things like “why not seize it all” when nobody wants to do that. At least, liberals and progressives don’t. I think maybe you have heard that argument from others, and it stuck. Please try to listen to what we are actually saying, if you can let us say things without altering them. You might learn what our position actually is!

       
      • Steve

        August 4, 2012 at 15:46

        i think I have a handle on that part. You don’t want to take it all. I get it. My question is what gives you the right to TAKE ANY, and please don’t take that to mean I don’t want to pay taxes. That is NOT what I am advocating. What I am asking and no one on your side seems to be able to tell me is at what point is enough enough? I just don’t see the squalor that you guys are telling me there is out there. I have first hand knowledge of a lot of this and sorry, I just don’t see it. I don’t think it’s a hardship to only have a 42″ flat screen TV or no internet service or cell phone. The government now gives people cell phones? That’s where we’ve come to? I don’t seek to deny “dignity”, as Angryman states to my fellow Americans but this is NOT what is going on here anymore, it is flat out redistribution of wealth for the purpose of engineering a pie in the sky utopian ideal. I find it personally despicable to steal from someone that earned it and give it to somebody that didn’t. We are NOT all equal and I think it’s wrong to reward someone for poor life choices and punish those that strive to do things the right way for the right reasons. We all need to be more responsible for ourselves and where help is neede, okay lets help but what we are currently doing now in this country isn’t that. Not at least from where i sit. thanks for your reply.

         
      • Lisa Bates

        August 4, 2012 at 16:10

        Steve, I appreciate the civil reply. I don’t know where you are getting your information from. I, for example, am disabled. 100% unemployably disabled, due to Lupus, and schizoaffective disorder. I do pretty well on the latter, thanks to modern medicine, but I never know when the bottom will fall out, and I will be back in the hospital for a week or so. I have tried to work all my life. I already did the 9 months non-sequential trial work period, that is allowed by social security. It took me 4 tries to get up to 9 months of work. that was over 2 years ago, so now, if I get a job,, I will lose my whopping $6,000 a year (almost to the dollar) that I get to live on, the very first time I bring home over $760 per month. I would lose my medical assistance at that point, too, which I need in able to even try to work.
        Now, $6,000 a year is NOT 42″ flat screens, or other luxuries. At the moment, I do not have a phone, because I can’t afford one, and the 2 used ones I tried would not hold a charge. I get phone service bundled with my basic cable and internet. I can’t use it until I get ahead enough to buy a (probably about) $9 phone! I am using a borrowed laptop computer, that is literally balanced on pencils, so that the air from the fan that i have to keep blowing on it, can go under the laptop to help keep it cool enough not to crash on me. I also have to keep it plugged in, because the battery holds zero charge.
        I am not whining. I have a great life. I am happily married, and the three of us in my family live in a 1 bedroom apartment. My son sleeps on the couch. I am just using my particulars to illustrate a point: things are NOWHERE as cushy on government assistance as you describe!
        Also, I am wondering what part of the country you live in, because there are parts of our country that are completely destroyed. I am thinking of Camden, New Jersey, where my husband is from, for example. The row houses there are all boarded up. There have been fires in many, many of them. It is a no-mans land where poor people cower, for fear of the gangs that have sprung up in that hopeless, unhealthy environment.
        When we lived in the country in Illinois, my daughter in kindergarten was taught safety in grain elevators. Later that year, when we moved to Camden to be near my husband’s sick mother, my daughter was taught in kindergarten to stay away from windows, to stay safe from stray bullets!! This is a TRUE story. We have some humongous social problems as a country, my friend, and if we don’t solve them together as a nation (which costs money — tax money) then we are going to reap the consequences. There are so many model programs that WORK if we just use them, and duplicate them where they are needed.
        S0 – how much taxes?? I don;’t have a precise answer. But, it is a balancing act, between the very real social needs, and the infrastructure of our country (which is crumbling, but that’s another comment) and other things that taxes are legitimately used for, and the very real (I agree with you) concerns of wage earners to not lose the fruits of their labor. That is a matter for intelligent debate. But, I really needed to disabuse you of the notion that people on public assistance are doing so because it is somehow a cushier existence. I PROMISE you, it is not!! I have so many more details and examples I could give you, but this is already getting really long, so I will end it here.

         
  3. mama"J"

    August 4, 2012 at 15:33

    Did I say square?

     
  4. Steve

    August 4, 2012 at 20:17

    Lisa- I know there are people like you that are struggling every day just to get by. I run across them each and every day and my heart goes out to you. You are one of the ones that SHOULD be getting help. My beef is not with you. What I am saying is there are literally millions of people that are on the public dole that should not be, and from where I stand that number is higher and higher all the time. I see the ones that are collecting disability that aren’t. I see the ones getting section 8 housing because of their poor life style choices, who constantly have their hands out for more and more. What I am saying is we need to be more responsible for the decisions we make in life. If a person wants to get a tattoo on their neck or wear their pants half way down their legs or dye their hair purple, great, go ahead and be your own man, but don’t tell me I’m a heartless bastard because I don’t feel bad for you that you can’t find a job to support yourself. That isn’t freedom, that’s being stupid and not my fault. If you remove the incentive for an individual that strives to do the right thing and reward him when he does, and reward those that don’t your society will collapse as we see all around us.

     
    • Lisa Bates

      August 4, 2012 at 20:55

      I agree with what you are saying. The only difference I see is fewer people actively scamming the system, although I know some who do. I have a degree in Social Work, although it took me 25 years, off and on, to earn it, and I have never been able to work formally as a social worker because of my health. I tend to see people who need to be worked with, and forced to make hard choices, where you see people who need to be thrown to the wolves. It is a bias that I admit. So often, a program like free school breakfasts and lunches all year long, which has been proven to have tremendous outcomes, are trashed in the name of saving a buck. Too often, things like mental illness go undiagnosed, and are attributed to poor lifestyle choices…. I won’t go on. I just see it differently.

       
  5. angrymanspeaks

    August 4, 2012 at 20:46

    Steve,

    You are a great sport man. I am happy to discuss issues with you and I am happy to see that you can take it as well as dish it out. I think people like uninhibited discussion. Not rage and hate but spirited give and take and if it gets a little heated at times; that’s ok too.
    I really didn’t mean to belittle you. It amazes me sometimes what I will post as a comment. I am always rushed; I am a two finger keyboarder; and that causes way more problems than my supposed knowledge of the language which is not as great as I will let on to get a laugh or make a point. I am shameless; I know; when I see the chance to ham it up and make people laugh or even just smile
    You, just happened to rap out that comment with the perfect wording and structure to leave it open for; shall we say; imaginitive interpretation and I; being me; couldn’t resist. I am sure that all of my readers are informed and smart enough to see the irony and they, as I, understood your real point.
    Sorry; I wish I could say it will never happen again but…I’m not a very good lyer and I’d only be setting you up for disappointment.
    Seriously; your last reply to lisa (which being a proper noun; I really should capitalize) heh, heh; was very well thought out and clear and contained no such opportunities for me (Drat). I do have a few serious thing to say in response but I must go for now. I’ll be back later.

    Lisa,
    That was a great sample of the truth about conditions and thanks for picking up on the real issues while I was playing.
    Your writing is clear and easy to read and understand and I enjoy your input. Saddly; you are in a good place to talk about these issues from personal experience. I am too but I am in a slightly better spot right now I get $11,884 per/year from SSDI and I also get a small retirement pension that takes me to about 17k per/year. I still complain as it really isn’t enough to breath easy on but my main concern is that there are so many others who; like yourself are living on even less and it just isn’t right. As you know I do not advocate lazyness. I believe if you are able to work; you should because that is what make it possible for us to help those who can’t. It isn’t just the wealthy whose work pays for helping out. I worked for 35 years and payed in as well and I don’t like to see people just wasting their lives either. I think we owe it to ourselves and to them to see that that isn’t alowwed to happen and I agree with Steve that we are probably not doing as good a job of weeding out the frauds as we could and should. In the end though, I would rather see ten frauds payed in error than one person in real need have to do without. That’s the real rub huh? If someone can figure a plan to assure those things I would support it but it “eeez’ a puzzlement”. Talk to you guys soon.

     
  6. Steve

    August 8, 2012 at 20:58

    I get section 8 and “disabled” people that apply for my apartments constantly and I can tell you from first hand experience that the Abusers are far more than ten to one. More like a hundred to one. I have never seen so many permanently disabled 25 year olds in my life. I don’t know where you live, but in the metropolitan areas here in the northeast a majority of folks are on the check. Nationwide I believe over 50% of our entire population receives some kind of federal funds every month. We can not sustain this and then no one that truly needs it will get anything because we are bankrupt and both parties want to keep spending and spending and spending. No matter who gets elected it won’t be pretty.

     
    • Lisa Bates

      August 9, 2012 at 00:56

      Steve, I can’t argue with what you have seen in your life.

      I do, however, want to remind you that many disabilities are not visible to the naked eye. One example is me, with mental illness that is well controlled with medication, but that still does not allow me to cope with a regular job; and lupus. I was once actually accosted for using a voucher in a thrift store by one of the employees, shouting that I “didn’t look disabled” to her,and refusing to use the voucher I had just received for clothing for my kids, from the homeless shelter where we lived. (and there have been other incidents)

      Another example: My daughter used to date a fellow with congenital heart disease. He dressd like a “goth,” which was his right, but it did not help him look like a productive member of society. He got flak all the time for being a lazy moocher, because he didn’t work, and was not approved for disability. He played video games a lot, because he had trouble moving around. He died a few years ago, from heart failure. He is not the only person I have known, who has died while trying to get approved for Social Security Disability. There are many more examples of hidden disabilities that I have known in my life.

      So, maybe there is a bigger problem with people faking disability where you live. Or, maybe you might want to get to know some of the people you think are cheating a little better, to see if maybe their disabilities are not obvious, but still limit their ability to work.

      Also, section 8 housing is available to parents with young children, the elderly and disabled people. I know, because I am on it too. Maybe the young people were not disabled, but still eligible for section 8 housing another way.

      Just some thoughts on how it might not be as bad as it seems to you. But, like I said, I wasn’t there, and I don’t presume to contradict you.

       
      • Steve

        August 9, 2012 at 12:43

        Sorry. Not buying it. I had a kid literally tell me he was disabled because he couldn’t add numbers together. The laws of probability scream fraud to me when I put a sign up to rent an apartment and I will get 50+ applicants and not one will have a job. They are ALL on disability. I believe the truth is that it is difficult now to get welfare and all the dead beats have figured out that all you need to collect disability is a crooked doctor to sign off on any of a variety of “disabilities” All I ever hear from people anymore is what they CAN’T do instead of what they CAN do. Everybody can do something, even you who apparently are truly disabled. Ok, your body doesn’t work so well, given, but I will bet you dollars to donuts that your brain still works and that you could still contribute and be productive at something. Nowadays people don’t even try because it’s easier and more profitable to collect and take from someone else. Like i’ve said numerous times, I’ve worked my rear end off for years for what I have, neither Obama nor anyone else did it. I did and it just frosts my pumpkin that some low life that refuses to be responsible for their own existence has the ability to empower the government to steal my property, by force and then expect me to smile and like it. I don’t mind helping the needy, I do it regularly through other avenues, but what this current government is doing isn’t that. This is a systematic attempt to make everybody equal through the redistribution of wealth. I find it immoral and disgusting.

         

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