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Posted by on August 3, 2012 in angryman, freedom, politics

 

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20 responses to “Boycott Chick-Fil-A For Hate And Bigotry

  1. Lisa Bates

    August 3, 2012 at 19:05

    I don’t know. I am tempted to go there, eat a few, and then stick my finger down my throat to make a very memorable, visual comment on how I feel about them! I’d need to do it right in front of the order counter, preferably right on the counter-top!

    It’s too bad… I used to think they had the best chicken sandwiches. Now they turn my stomach.

     
  2. Steve

    August 3, 2012 at 21:34

    Chik fil a is guilty of hate speech because they don’t want special rights for gays? Gays don’t want equal rights, they want special rights and if you don’t think being perverted isn’t normal then you are obviously a hater. Why are their first amendment rights not protected as are yours? Call it a civil union or whatever but it isn’t a marriage no matter how pissed off you get. Marriage is between a man and a woman, just like your parents was. Two people that love each other and want to be together can, go ahead just don’t call it marriage and expect other people to think it’s normal. It isn’t normal. Any 3rd grade biology student can probably figure it out, but then I’m a bigoted hater too, right?

     
    • Lisa Bates

      August 3, 2012 at 22:17

      Personally, I would prefer that they used a word other than marriage, which to me implies that there is one man and one woman in the union as well. BUT they have a right to be with whomever they love. They have a right to not be barred from deathbeds by family members, and to inherit from their life partners. They should have MANY more rights than they currently have, to be equal in the eyes of the law. If marriage is the word that it takes to secure that for them, then who am I to enforce my meaning of the word on other people. Cultures change. Meanings of words evolve. Gay used to mean lighthearted and happy, but now there is a different meaning. That is the nature of things. If changing the definition of marriage is how far we force them to go to secure their basic human rights, then they have my blessing!

       
    • fidlerten

      August 4, 2012 at 00:32

      Oh I see, because it bothers people like Steve when gays get married so gays can’t be married because Steve and people like him doesn’t like it.

      Guess what Steve, we gay people really don’t care if you like it or not. And, you can call it “special rights” all you want but that doesn’t mean it’s anything different than what you and your friends already have, so it really isn’t special.

      And yes, we’re going to call it marriage because by any other name it is special and not the same.

      Another thing Steve; though you like it or not, it’s going to happen – gay people will get “married” in this country the same as you and your friends – not civil unions – but marriages. Now you can continue to argue that you should have more rights because of who you love and what sex you desire but that’s not going to stop that train called gay marriage from barreling through. So you can either get with it or just keep right on thinking those bigoted thoughts.

       
      • Lisa Bates

        August 4, 2012 at 01:00

        You know, I personally understand the word marriage to mean the union of one man and one woman. HOWEVER people who do not feel the same way as I do have been denied access to lifetime partners’ death beds by families and hospitals; denied inheritance of their lifelong family home; denied parenthood of children they have raised; and had their basic ties of affection denied like they never existed, in so many ways that it is too much to list. Any love connection you take for granted, has been denied to gay people over and over and over.

        The meaning of words change in a culture. Over the centuries, our speech begins to seem like a foreign language. Read Shakespeare sometime, or Beowulf. Just because I have a certain meaning of a word in my head, does not stop the society at large from moving on. Look at the word Gay. It used to mean lighthearted and happy. Now it has a different meaning. It is a done deal. The culture has moved on.

        My personal opinion is that if gay people are forced to do the herculean task of moving society to re-define marriage, in order to have their most basic human ties of affection recognized, and respected by other people, and the law, then more power to them,; and I had better adjust.

         
  3. fidlerten

    August 4, 2012 at 02:30

    Lisa,
    The term “gay” for homosexuals has been around a long time. The only thing is, it wasn’t very popular with straight culture until more recently. As long as I can remember, much longer than my own coming out of the closet in the late 70s has the term “gay” been used.

    The very reason why it’s important that gay people are able to “marry” and not just something equal in rights, is because it’s important that there is no barriers, not even in name because someone would use that as a reason to say that we’re not the same and therefore unequal. They must be respected and treated the same across the board. And for some gay people, it’s a Spiritual thing for them. Just because Michelle Bachmann’s religion and her ilk doesn’t condone it doesn’t mean that everyone has to believe the same way.

    For me, I’m beyond marriage. Still, my heart floods with joy when I know that my gay brothers and sisters can finally take their place in society and have the same very rights as everyone else. This from someone who remembers well what it’s like to have the hell beat out of me, simply for being gay.

     
    • Lisa Bates

      August 4, 2012 at 02:52

      I hear you, JB. Like the President, I’m evolving. Considering I’m Mormon, I think that’s pretty good for now. I appreciate your sharing your feelings with me. It helps me understand.

       
      • angrymanspeaks

        August 4, 2012 at 05:45

        Once again we are back to that same point. It doesn’t matter whether you like gay marriage or not. It isn’t my right to tell another person how they should live. If God chooses to condemn a person for being gay I don’t think he needs me to handle any pre-trial persecution for him. I mean can’t we all just get up and take care of our own business and let others do the same. What is it that drives people to force their beliefs on others? No one is going to force you to marry another man. You will not be forced to Participate in a Gay wedding against your will or attend one or send a card and a gift even. You don’t even have to knowingly speak to a gay person if you choose not to. No gay or straight person that I know would ever try to force you to. So how is it that you believe you have the right to force them to do without something that makes them happy and has no (read that zero) affect on you? Because you think it’s wrong? You think it’s un-natural? You think it is against God’s laws? You think. You believe. You. You. You. Just who the hell do you think you are? You want all the money. All the power. You want to tell everyone how they should worship God and whether they should worship God. You want to tell everyone what political system they must live under (the one that works best for you and your wealthy friends). You want to tell everyone who they can marry; who they can’t marry. Is there any facet of my life that you don’t think you should have a say in. Do you want to tell me how I should wipe my ass too? Is it really possible that you are so smart; so informed; so closely in touch with God; so damned perfect that you feel you have the right to judge everyone else? Such arrogance is beyond my ability to understand. Making laws that restrict others habits and life choices is nothing less than putting yourself in God’s place. Which is not to say that you shouldn’t judge right from wrong. You should and you should act accordingly for yourself. If you are wrong; God will let you know later. Why can’t you allow everyone that freedom? The more I talk with you Steve; the more I see that you just think way too much of yourself and it has led you down the path to becoming a tyrant. You know? Someone who forces their will on other people. Do you really believe that your laws and restrictions are goin to clean up the world so it’s ready for God or what? Note I haven’t called you a name this time either. But I am going to tell you that you need to check yourself. If you are wise enough to make all the decisions for everyone; then we all better get over to your house Steve because we have a bit of work to do. Building the “Temple of Steve” so we have a proper place to worship YOU. Only God has the authority to judge all these things you so wish to do away with. Your job is to live the best life you can; let others do the same; and then wait patiently for God to let you know how you did.

        I’m sure you won’t be disappointed Steve because we all know God loves him some Motherfucking self-righteous, greedy bigots. Did Jesus come to Jerusalem to change the laws? Think hard Steve. This is an important question. Did Jesus come to Jerusalem to do away with prostitutes; tax collectors; greedy men? No Steve; he didn’t. he came to sit among these very people and talk with them. he came to teach them what was right; not force them to do what was right. Now if Jesus himself didn’t have the authority to change conditions on Earth or force people to behave a certain way; what would ever make you think you do Steve because I have to tell you; you may not be too bad but you are no Jesus. What you are is a very foolish man with a very big ego.

         
      • Lisa Bates

        August 4, 2012 at 11:23

        Um, Angrymanspeaks… It was me, Provolisa, not Steve, you were responding to. I can’t disagree with anything in your eloquent answer. But, I just thought I’d point out that it was me, and that the final point of my original comment was to say that if Gay Folk have to do the Herculean task of changing society’s definition of the word “marriage”, in order to obtain basic human rights, than I say, “More power to them!” (I did use better grammar, this time, I believe, after reading your response to Steve on your own column, LOL!) But, anyway, I wanted to point out that we are on the same side of this issue here. I am just a bit more reserved about it, because my opinion is still evolving. My sister is actually Gay, and in a lifelong relationship. If the definition of marriage in our society expands to definitively include their relationship, it is fine with me. I actually already call my sister’s partner, my “Sister in-Law” and have for years, depending on the acceptance level of the person to whom I am talking (I’m still watching my grammar!) So, anyway, have a great morning. And, I agree with everything you wrote. (Oops, I started a sentence with a conjunction, LOL!)

         
      • angrymanspeaks

        August 4, 2012 at 12:00

        Thanks Lisa,

        i must have hit the wrong reply button I guess. No problem with the grammer; I err all the time; especially when I am writing a comment because I’m always hurrying. So much to read and God knows; so much to say. I understand your evolving position. I personally feel that it is imossible to say that it is wrong to be homosexual because I have known too many people and seen too much evidence that “Gay” is not something you choose to become but rather something you are or are not from birth. I do believe that God disapproves of two men having sex but it isn’t my place to tell anyone else what they should believe and I won’t treat a man differently because he makes that choice.

        I believe that if you are born Gay; that will never change and no one can change it for you. Behavior is however a matter of choice and I believe that God prefers it if a Gay man is seeking him; that he stop having sex with men (he will still be Gay though). God is also a forgiving God and if he can forgive the sins that I committ while still saying I am a believer; then he can forgive a Gay man who has sex with another man. Some will disgree with me and say that God accepts the person and the behavior as right and Ok; I believe the behavior is not OK but it is no worse than any other sin committed every day by Heterosexual men. If these so called “Christians” believe that God will forgive their adulteries and underhanded business dealings and stealing etc and yet not forgive a gay man who is doing his best to follow God as he believes he should; I suspect that they are just delluding themselves with self-righteousness and vanity. After -all who is more at fault? No one is born an adulterer or a thief. But as I say; what I think and do is what I think and do and nobody else is required to agree with me or follow my lead and certainly not do as I do or believe as i do just because I say so. All of us are here and all of us are imperfect. We all fall short of what God wants of us; some in one way; some in another. I try to look at the person and not their sexual orientation or race or whatever. All that stuff is just skin deep. Character; honor and loyalty are things from the heart and these are the things we; as fellow travelers through this world; should be seeking in our friends and companions. Those attributes come in all colors, ethnicities, and sexual orientations.

        I usually don’t go into the details of my beliefs about this subject. Doesn’t seem important usually but I wanted you to know that you are not the only one who has had to evolve. I won’t tell you what I was like 25 years ago. I would be ashamed now. No violence; just bigotry. Listen to me; as though bigotry isn’t it’s own form of violence. Nevertheless; we all live and learn (hopefully) and when we learn; I believe we need to put what we learn into action and so; here I am today; a better person than I was I think; certainly more understanding of others points of view and far less judgemental.

         
      • Lisa Bates

        August 4, 2012 at 12:19

        🙂

         
      • fidlerten

        August 4, 2012 at 10:17

        Lisa,
        I had a long-term boyfriend who was a Mormon. It was maybe a two-year relationship, no love – just sex.

         
      • Lisa Bates

        August 4, 2012 at 11:41

        Fidlerten, I am not surprised that you might have had a sexual relationship with someone who was Mormon. We are just “like” regular people, LOL! I don’t agree with the Church’s stand on non-members’ homosexuality, but I do gain a great deal of spiritual growth from the majority of their teachings. I have looked and looked for a path to God, my whole life. I have explored Western, Eastern, and New Age religions and philosophies. I came to Christianity late in life, and I looked for a Church for a couple of decades before I converted to Mormonism. I am not the most active member of the church, by a long shot. But, I find that their teachings bring me closer to a loving Heavenly Father, and Jesus Christ than any other church. One of the things I love about our church is the idea that spiritual understanding grows a bit at a time, and that the principle applies to the church as a whole, as well as its individual members. I personally think that the church will eventually stop its efforts to control the lives of non-members who are gay, or who find it necessary to choose to have an abortion, for exactly the reasons that Angrymanspeaks puts forth in his response, above. Our central authorities already corrected a humungous wrong in the area of the church’s past discrimination against of people of color, and their eligibility for membership in the Priesthood, so I have real hope. One of our Articles of Faith, written by Joseph Smith himself, states that we honor the right of others to serve God according to the dictates of their own conscience. We deeply value free agency. So, I think it is just a matter of time.

         
  4. fidlerten

    August 5, 2012 at 03:14

    angryman,
    I must disagree with you. You’re really expecting a great deal out of someone who you say you can accept for being born the way they are. You accept that but then you expect that they should then live the rest of their lives without fulfilling their natural desires for the rest of their lives,in order for them to please God.

    Let me explain my view and then maybe you can see where I come from on it.

    First, if you will read the scriptures of where you believe homosexuality is condemned, then you might see a bit more than you do now. The type of sex that is referred to in the old testament is referring to heterosexual men using men, sometimes gay men but men, as they would a woman, therefore replacing them for a woman.

    That isn’t what being gay is about. When a gay man has sex with another man it is because he is a man.

    What would be a sin for a gay man would be to do something unnatural, like maybe have sex with a woman, which personally I find disgusting.

    Having sex out of marriage is also sin and this is probably the most popular sin among gay people. Gay marriage will give them no excuse for that, once it is legalized in every state.

    But no, you cannot expect someone who is gay to go through their lives, living in celibacy. You wouldn’t expect that of any heterosexual person so you shouldn’t expect it from a gay person either. Neither does God. He didn’t make someone gay so that they could then live miserably all their lives, trying not to respond to their desire.

    Celibacy for God is a wonderful thing but it is as a special commitment and even a gift unto God to commit celibacy to Him. But it isn’t for everyone and it isn’t for gay men unless they choose that life for other reasons, not just to keep from being gay.

    So sorry, I disagree with you. Now if I got up and went to a bar tonight and picked up another man and had sex with him, I would not be committing anymore a sin than if you went to a bar tonight and picked up a woman and had sex with her. I’m not saying it isn’t wrong but no more wrong than when a heterosexual does it.

    If two gay people fall in love and commit their lives to each other, then I believe God will sanction that love and if they make love with each other, it won’t be the same as just picking someone up for sex.

    That’s how I feel.

     
    • Lisa Bates

      August 5, 2012 at 05:50

      Fidlerten, Thank you for being so open, and sharing how you see the intersection between sexual orientation and your relationship with God. It was a point of view that I had not exactly considered, so reading it enriched my understanding of the controversy, where so many people have trouble communicating. I am attracted to the Mormon teaching that God put us in families as the natural order of things. That it is his organization for us, here on earth; and as such is sacred and holy. However, and I can just imagine my Bishop reading this, I do not find any need to condemn people who, in their quest for a true connection, form sexual bonds. with people of the same sex. I feel that there is a loss of specific blessings that come from the intersection, sexual and otherwise, of male and female energies, and in most circumstances, the wonderful blessings that come from raising the next generation. When a loving, Gay couple is able to raise a child, I am happy for them, because I consider it one step closer to God’s ideal plan for us, The blessings that come directly from parenthood are some of the richest that we can experience in this lifetime. Now, I know that I am an open minded example of a Mormon, but I also know that I am not the only one. I have had this conversation, at one time or another, with almost every close woman friend I have made since I joined the church. Every single one of them has felt the same way. It is probably because i choose friends with whom I can relate, but I wanted to let you know that I am not the only one. I have, as I told someone recently in one of these comments, come to the church late in life, after trying on many different belief systems, searching for an intuition that I am closer to the Truth. I do not feel that the Mormon church is perfect, by far; but they teach that inspiration is an ongoing process, so I believe that I am “permitted” to have that understanding. I do believe that the church as a whole is ever moving closer to that ultimate, probably unreachable (at least in this lifetime) Truth..That is why I still choose to be a member, even though I will probably never qualify for a Temple Recommend due to my honestly held beliefs. Soooo, I guess my point is to let you know that not every Mormon thinks that you have to be Mormon to actually be a Christian. I just think that their teachings are more rounded, and worthy of my allegiance.

      Anyway, I didn’t mean to get into all that. Thanks for opening up. i guess it is going around.
      ~Lisa

       
  5. fidlerten

    August 5, 2012 at 03:22

    Lisa,
    I don’t hold anything against Mormons, if that’s their chosen religion then they should just live it the best of their ability.

    My only real problem with Mormonism is that it’s one of those religions that believe you must be one of them to actually be a Christian. My faith, which is more aligned with the Charismatic teachings, believe in the manifestation of the Spirit of God in our lives as described in the New Testament and I practice those teachings in my own life.

     
  6. fidlerten

    August 5, 2012 at 14:34

    Thank You Lisa for your openness. I know one thing; God won’t judge you because you’re a Mormon or whatever religion or denomination you might belong to. I’m certain that as far as He’s concerned, you can belong to whatever church you want as long as you seek Him and want Him in your life. I’m not a denominational type person. I prefer to stay out of organized religion and I’ve been better for it.

     
    • Lisa Bates

      August 5, 2012 at 14:51

      Thanks, for the making a connection, and the good wishes, Fidlerten. I wish you the best!

       
  7. angrymanspeaks

    August 7, 2012 at 16:38

    Hey Fid,
    Sorry to be so long getting back to you but I did want to to point out what I gleened from your comment.

    “But no, you cannot expect someone who is gay to go through their lives, living in celibacy. You wouldn’t expect that of any heterosexual person so you shouldn’t expect it from a gay person either.”

    I wouldn’t expect that of anyone. It always surprizes me when I hear of someone; Gay or Straight; making that choice; to wait until marriage. Or if they never marry a woman to remain celebate until death.
    Yes; I do know people Gay and Straight people who have made that choice because it is what they believe God expects of them and yes; it is a difficult thing for them.
    But from all I hear not a life of misery as you think it would be and I sort of think so too. They say that once they have committed to celebacy; God helps them to maintain that committment. That they are able to train themselves to avoid thoughts of it and eventually become kind of numb to those desires. I know; right?
    I’ve never tried it; I don’t know.
    Like I say; I expect nothing. I believe God does expect unmarried people to refrain from sex and gay people who wish to follow him to refrain from homosexual sex.

    But as I said in my prior comment. I am not God and each of us has to develop their own relationship with him and do their best to follow him as they believe he requires. It doesn’t surprize me that we disagree about this basic question. I know several other people who have a third and fourth idea of what is right and what is forgivable etc.

    What I would rather focus on and the reason I don’t usually get into these biblical questions; well one of the reasons; is that we do agree as do my other friends that we don’t all have to agree; we just have to respect each others opionions and our right to hold differing opinions.

    Right or wrong as God judges has nothing to do with political and /or legal rights and decisions.
    You don’t make a law against something when we don’t all agree it should be ilegal. You don’t not grant equality to anyone because you disagree with their opinion of what personal behavior is right.

    So Brother; I’ll be happy to defend your right to marry anybody you want to; have sex with anyone who wants to have sex with you; and go to a church or not (I don’t either) and worship and follow God as you believe is right and i will never try to force you or anyone else to change their personal choices to agree with my beliefs. In my personal life, I am happy to explain what i believe about pretty much any subject if I have formed an opinion. If they agree; Ok. If not; Ok. I never force anyone to hear my opinions either.

    But yeah; I expect we will disagree on some issues from time to time.

    Peace and Fulfilment to you

     
  8. Steve

    August 17, 2012 at 13:28

    Angryman…why all the hate brother? Why is it you are convinced I am some evil, bigoted tyrant? All i said was I don’t think gays being together should be called a marriage. I believe marriage is a basic building block of the family, you know man plus woman equals children, family. Traditional family. That is my OPINION, just like yours is yours. I don’t quite get how that makes me a hateful bigot. I don’t care whether two guys want to get together…two girls, three men, two sheep and a donkey. It doesn’t matter to me what you do, just don’t call it marriage or expect me to recognize it as normal. I believe homosexuality is a sin, the same as any other sin, just like all the ones I make in my life.

    As far as Jesus goes, He did live among prostitutes, tax collectors and ‘sinners”. You are correct but He never condoned anyones sins as being okay. He always confronted man’s sinful nature with the purpose of restoration to the laws and regulations that God set forth in His word, the Bible. Jesus didn’t tell Mary Magdalene that it was okay to be a prostitute, He told her “Your sins are forgiven…go and sin no more”. God is pretty clear in His word about sin and His complete intolerance of it. It isn’t my place to judge you or anyone else for that matter. We are ALL sinners and God says we will ALL stand in judgement one day and give an accounting of our sins. Me included so please don’t put me in that little box you think I belong.

    Maybe you should pay attention to what I actually say and think before you make judgements of who and what you think I am just because my opinion is different than yours. Please explain to me why if I disagree that means I am a hater and bigot? Actually I think I am just the opposite. I actually have people other than my mother who love me.

     

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